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	<description>The only palliative is to keep the clean sea breeze of the centuries blowing through our minds ... by reading old books.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ohne Reformation kein Humanismus by Eric Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spitz published a volume including some of Johann Sturm&#039;s works, along with a couple of thorough essays detailing the career, influences, and accomplishments of Sturm. It is called, &lt;em&gt;Johann Sturm on Education: The Reformation and Humanist Learning&lt;/em&gt;. He also has a volume, &lt;em&gt;The Reformation: Education and History&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spitz published a volume including some of Johann Sturm&#8217;s works, along with a couple of thorough essays detailing the career, influences, and accomplishments of Sturm. It is called, <em>Johann Sturm on Education: The Reformation and Humanist Learning</em>. He also has a volume, <em>The Reformation: Education and History</em>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ohne Reformation kein Humanismus by Tim Enloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Enloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What work of Spitz&#039;s is this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What work of Spitz&#8217;s is this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reason and the Authority of Scripture in Richard Hooker and John Calvin by Peter</title>
		<link>http://epistole.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/reason-and-the-authority-of-scripture-in-richard-hooker-and-john-calvin/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, like all Anglican leaders of the time, Hooker ascribed to the 39 Articles, which place the authority of Scripture at the top, say nothing of reason, and place tradition below the authority of Scripture.  The Homilies, commanded to be read in Article XXXV, are polemical against &quot;traditions of men.&quot;

Article VI:  &quot;Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in the Church.&quot;

Article XXIV:  &quot;It is not necessary that the Traditions and Ceremonies be in all places one, or utterly like; for at all times they have been divers, and may be changed according to the diversity of countries, times, and men’s manners, so that nothing be ordained against God’s Word. Whosoever, through his private judgment, willingly and purposely, doth openly break the Traditions and Ceremonies of the Church, which be not repugnant to the Word of God, and be ordained and approved by common authority, ought to be rebuked openly, (that others may fear to do the like,) as he that offendeth against the common order of the Church, and hurteth the authority of the Magistrate, and woundeth the consciences of the weak brethren.
    &quot;Every particular or national Church hath authority to ordain, change, and abolish, Ceremonies or Rites of the Church ordained only by man’s authority, so that all things be done to edifying.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, like all Anglican leaders of the time, Hooker ascribed to the 39 Articles, which place the authority of Scripture at the top, say nothing of reason, and place tradition below the authority of Scripture.  The Homilies, commanded to be read in Article XXXV, are polemical against &#8220;traditions of men.&#8221;</p>
<p>Article VI:  &#8220;Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in the Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>Article XXIV:  &#8220;It is not necessary that the Traditions and Ceremonies be in all places one, or utterly like; for at all times they have been divers, and may be changed according to the diversity of countries, times, and men’s manners, so that nothing be ordained against God’s Word. Whosoever, through his private judgment, willingly and purposely, doth openly break the Traditions and Ceremonies of the Church, which be not repugnant to the Word of God, and be ordained and approved by common authority, ought to be rebuked openly, (that others may fear to do the like,) as he that offendeth against the common order of the Church, and hurteth the authority of the Magistrate, and woundeth the consciences of the weak brethren.<br />
    &#8220;Every particular or national Church hath authority to ordain, change, and abolish, Ceremonies or Rites of the Church ordained only by man’s authority, so that all things be done to edifying.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Calvin&#8217;s Aristotelean Cosmology by Peter Escalante</title>
		<link>http://epistole.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/john-calvins-aristotelean-cosmology/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Escalante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating. Thanks much for this.

pax
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. Thanks much for this.</p>
<p>pax<br />
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		<title>Comment on Lambert Daneau and &#8216;Natural Philosophy,&#8217; A Pagan Phrase? by Steven Wedgeworth</title>
		<link>http://epistole.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/lambert-daneau-and-natural-philosophy-a-pagan-phrase/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Wedgeworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Zwinglibibel: A Reformed use of Images by joelmartin</title>
		<link>http://epistole.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/the-zwinglibibel-a-reformed-use-of-images/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>joelmartin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a paper outlining the Reformed Anglican position on images here:

https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=5308a94b-88c3-49c0-affc-469ab623824b</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a paper outlining the Reformed Anglican position on images here:</p>
<p><a href="https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=5308a94b-88c3-49c0-affc-469ab623824b" rel="nofollow">https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=5308a94b-88c3-49c0-affc-469ab623824b</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Zwinglibibel: A Reformed use of Images by Items of note (Reformed edition) : Theopolitical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Items of note (Reformed edition) : Theopolitical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Epistole: &#8220;the Reformers were not iconoclasts simpliciter.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rhetoric as Divine Art: A Reformed Notion by Lue-Yee Tsang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lue-Yee Tsang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way to dump all commentary tradition would be to toss all the older art and music in the Church. Oh, wait, don’t some people already try to do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to dump all commentary tradition would be to toss all the older art and music in the Church. Oh, wait, don’t some people already try to do that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rhetoric as Divine Art: A Reformed Notion by Tim Enloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Enloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, that makes sense.  Perhaps the key, then, to avoid turning ad fontes (and subsequently semper reformanda) into an outright disdain for tradition is to keep liberal arts education front and center for all those who would be in leadership positions.  This way, as you say, they can engage the original texts directly, without merely having to rely on accumulated commentary, but at the same time retain a respect for the commentaries as witnesses of past labors to understand the text.  I like that solution.  Let&#039;s implement it in our own day!   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, that makes sense.  Perhaps the key, then, to avoid turning ad fontes (and subsequently semper reformanda) into an outright disdain for tradition is to keep liberal arts education front and center for all those who would be in leadership positions.  This way, as you say, they can engage the original texts directly, without merely having to rely on accumulated commentary, but at the same time retain a respect for the commentaries as witnesses of past labors to understand the text.  I like that solution.  Let&#8217;s implement it in our own day!   <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Rhetoric as Divine Art: A Reformed Notion by Eric Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, 

I think we can use Paul&#039;s metaphor of the Law as a &quot;schoolmaster&quot; over Israel to better understand what the Reformed humanist thought about the scholastic commentaries. They did not hate them, as I briefly noted, Sturm encouraged the students to read them outside of school. Paul believed that the Law is &quot;holy, righteous, and good&quot; but he also believed that it was inferior to Christ because it only condemns sinful man and it was handed down by intermediaries - and most of all, it was intended to lead us to Christ, not replace him.

So, as the Law is good when set in its place below Christ our mediator, in a similar manner the commentaries of the scholastics are good when set in their place below the knowledge and skill of the wise man. Calvin was influenced by Lombard as Vermigli and Zanchi were influenced by Aquinas. The problem comes when students and institutions begin to use the mediating documents (commentaries) as if they are the esse. These commentaries took the place of honest study and skill of the original languages and the knowledge of the Fathers&#039; writings. 

To your question, &quot;what happens when the student who has so engaged the text writes his own thoughts down?&quot; I think they Reformed humanists at least (I can&#039;t speak for all humanists) would and did encourage commentaries on the text of the ancient authors and also wrote Medieval-like texts systematizing theology, as you know. For example, Vermigli&#039;s commentary on Aristotle&#039;s Ethics was not repudiated. But, it was not used as a replacement for what we would call philology. 

Linguistic and grammatical analysis is essentially what distinguishes the commentaries of the Renaissance period from those of the Medieval period. Sure, you find some textual stuff in Aquinas&#039;s commentaries (like his definition of &quot;ethos&quot;) but you don&#039;t find authors learning the original Greek and commenting on the difference between &lt;em&gt;ho anthropos&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;anthropon tina&lt;/em&gt;, as you find in the humanist works.

No, I don&#039;t think this method leads to a disrespect for tradition. As I have said, Sturm encouraged the reading of commentaries outside of school and the reading of Melanchthon&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Loci Communes&lt;/em&gt; in the catechism class. He was a moderate for sure, but he was still interested in maintaining the unity of the &lt;em&gt;corpus Christi&lt;/em&gt;. And, commentaries did continue in this period but with a different emphasis. The shift is mainly seen in education, where students learned classical Latin and imitated the style of Cicero and the orations of the same. So, you may say, they would actually have more respect for tradition. These guys still thought in slightly Platonic terms about education. An education that more thoroughly trains students in the pursuit of truth will produce students who resemble Truth and are less likely to steer away from it. These students would read the Fathers&#039; original meaning, not the meaning placed upon them by Scotus or Ockham, or the Magisterium. 

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, </p>
<p>I think we can use Paul&#8217;s metaphor of the Law as a &#8220;schoolmaster&#8221; over Israel to better understand what the Reformed humanist thought about the scholastic commentaries. They did not hate them, as I briefly noted, Sturm encouraged the students to read them outside of school. Paul believed that the Law is &#8220;holy, righteous, and good&#8221; but he also believed that it was inferior to Christ because it only condemns sinful man and it was handed down by intermediaries &#8211; and most of all, it was intended to lead us to Christ, not replace him.</p>
<p>So, as the Law is good when set in its place below Christ our mediator, in a similar manner the commentaries of the scholastics are good when set in their place below the knowledge and skill of the wise man. Calvin was influenced by Lombard as Vermigli and Zanchi were influenced by Aquinas. The problem comes when students and institutions begin to use the mediating documents (commentaries) as if they are the esse. These commentaries took the place of honest study and skill of the original languages and the knowledge of the Fathers&#8217; writings. </p>
<p>To your question, &#8220;what happens when the student who has so engaged the text writes his own thoughts down?&#8221; I think they Reformed humanists at least (I can&#8217;t speak for all humanists) would and did encourage commentaries on the text of the ancient authors and also wrote Medieval-like texts systematizing theology, as you know. For example, Vermigli&#8217;s commentary on Aristotle&#8217;s Ethics was not repudiated. But, it was not used as a replacement for what we would call philology. </p>
<p>Linguistic and grammatical analysis is essentially what distinguishes the commentaries of the Renaissance period from those of the Medieval period. Sure, you find some textual stuff in Aquinas&#8217;s commentaries (like his definition of &#8220;ethos&#8221;) but you don&#8217;t find authors learning the original Greek and commenting on the difference between <em>ho anthropos</em> and <em>anthropon tina</em>, as you find in the humanist works.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think this method leads to a disrespect for tradition. As I have said, Sturm encouraged the reading of commentaries outside of school and the reading of Melanchthon&#8217;s <em>Loci Communes</em> in the catechism class. He was a moderate for sure, but he was still interested in maintaining the unity of the <em>corpus Christi</em>. And, commentaries did continue in this period but with a different emphasis. The shift is mainly seen in education, where students learned classical Latin and imitated the style of Cicero and the orations of the same. So, you may say, they would actually have more respect for tradition. These guys still thought in slightly Platonic terms about education. An education that more thoroughly trains students in the pursuit of truth will produce students who resemble Truth and are less likely to steer away from it. These students would read the Fathers&#8217; original meaning, not the meaning placed upon them by Scotus or Ockham, or the Magisterium. </p>
<p>Eric</p>
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